A Place for Women in the Military-the Pole Brigade

August 9, 2007 / by mmmhollywould

I KNOW I am about to piss so people off but I am so fucking sick of the liberal approach to our military I could just vomit.  The military must be conservative and hold our WARRIORS to a higher standard.  These men joined our military to protect us and our country and because of our countries Nancy ass approach to it we are allowing the liberal mindset to attempt to turn our WARRIORS into pussies.

 

You have no idea how pissed off I am right now and this stems from an old story and a new one.  The first and most recent being on my dear blogger friends blog, ekyprogressive and you can read it here.  The other from the outrage read on the internet and heard on the radio banning military personnel from blogging.

 

I guess I will deal with the latter first. 

 

When you join the military you give up certain freedoms and I think not being allowed to blog is perfectly acceptable.  In general conversation a soldier can let things slip that he should not have whether he meant to or not.  While some may not mean to other may. I do not expect the government to monitor these all of these blog and make sure no sensitive information is being released either accidentally or on purpose. Giving up the freedom to blog is perfectly acceptable.

 

Write a letter.  If you have ever been military you know they will go through letters and black out some information.  With a blog there is no way to control that.  Ditch the blog for military personal.  If you are so nosey that you must know what is going on go ask a solider or write to one.

 

Now on to this lady who was allegedly raped, basically she got raped by three other soldiers while in their barracks while drinking with them.  They were partying. She told.  She was interviewed harshly as she should have been as these are harsh allegations.  She did not like the fact that these same questions would be asked at trial and backed out so not to further FEEL victimized.

 

So here is my problem. She told these folks these men raped her.  While I feel bad for her it is an alleged rape.  They have not been found guilty. REMEMBER DUKE. Anyway she decided, after bringing this to the authorities attention, that she did not want to take it further and I know this is going to piss you all off but after making allegations like that against anyone she has no right to back out no matter how hard it might be on her. How hard is it on those guys? How hard is it for them if it was not rape?

 

This is the military folks and in my humble opinion they have a much better system than we do.  I think if she cannot do what is right and take this to trial she deserves to be punished for it. She has no right to make these men look bad and should in fact stand behind her word and punish these guys if it actually was a rape. The few women like her and the ones who report false rapes when they changed their mind after the fact or needed an excuse for that baby make me sick and make all women who were justifiably raped look BAD.

 

Further more this is the EXACT reason women should NOT be in the military.  The military is a place for our warriors and very few women can live up to the standards set for men and only those that can live up the physical standards set for men should be allowed in the military.  Women in the military deserve no special treatment for having a vagina.  They deserve to be treated EXACTLY the same.  The military is not a scholarship for college, free education or job training or guaranteed benefits.  Those are the perks for our Warriors that put their lives on the line for our country.

 

If you want to be a nurse go to college. 

 

I cannot stand what our military has become since allowing special treatment for women.  Adding women to the mix makes for a new special set of problems.


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66 comments on A Place for Women in the Military-the Pole Brigade

  • greatmartin said 1 years ago
    One question--have you ever been in the service?
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    Well depends on how you look at it. I am an army brat. My father and step father were both military, I was married to a sailor once upon a time and Johnny was also in the army.

    My very close uncle was a captain in the navy.

    My Step m0ther is in the army and she is a skank.

    Almost all of my cousins are or were as well as a few uncles on the other side of the the family (none female except my skank step mother).

    The only thing that kept me from joining entering officers train school(army) was Johnny(I already had a recruiter all over my ass).

    So I may not have been the actual tea but I have been steeped in military all my life not to mention that I should have been enlisted as moral support there for a while.

    Guess what laws the families of military men are subject too? The UCMJ. While we cannot be court marshaled we can be kicked off and banned from bases.
  • JTruant said 1 years ago
    You were supposed to say "no" methinks holly.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    Unfortunately that would not have been a true answer JT[HEART]
  • robert2734 said 1 years ago
    I've read this story on Eky's blog too. I googled it on the web. It is a "he said she said story" and I have no idea who is telling the truth. Just because they slant it so that she is the sympathetic figure doesn't make it so.

    But your suggestion of banning all women from the armed forces because some will be raped and some will make accusations of rape goes to far. Women personnel can expect to be raped if they become POWs. They shouldn't have to expect it if they attend a military academy. And one Tarawa Brawley doesn't taint the entire sex either.
  • JTruant said 1 years ago
    Well okay pal I'm going to have to read for you here. She said if women want to be in the military they have to be treated exactly the same as the men. She didn't say remove them and she didn't say because someone would be raped. You are drawing your own conclusions and its rather unbecoming.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    I would be glad to have Zena Warrior Princess in my military she would not need special push ups, easier boot camps and all around special treatment.
  • robert2734 said 1 years ago
    They are reducing the physical fitness standards for today's men as well.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    Yes and I think it was my first paragraph that stated "These men joined our military to protect us and our country and because of our countries Nancy ass approach to it we are allowing the liberal mindset to attempt to turn our WARRIORS into pussies." I was not aware that I needed to cover every reason why that was so. I was really only concerned with two.



  • prettyinpinkuk said 1 years ago
    well i think women have the right to be in the forces. men get raped as well as women. male or female they all should be treated the same.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    They have no right to be in the military UNLESS THEY CAN DO THE SAME JOB As MAN CAN DO AND LIVE UP TO THE SAME PHYSICAL STANDARDS this is a volunteer military. Being in the military is not a RIGHT. IF IT WERE A RIGHT YOU COULD not BE REFUSED MILITARY SERVICE. YOU COULD NOT BE TO "WIMPY" TO BE IN THE MILITARY. Read our constitution. Women and men are NOT being treated equally in the military, that is my point and a fact. Women in the military do not warrant special treatment, that they get, because they have a vagina. Did you read this article or are you just inserting your opinions based on whatever you think my article might be about?

    Finally men and women can both be raped. Please point out where I said they could not or used the fact that they can be raped in this article to support my point. I didn't. Ever.

    Since you brought it up though I would like you to do some research and see how often men are raped compared to women. I can tell you off the top of my head but I think you need to read up on it. 91.8 are women 8.2%(and most the men's stats are taken from prison) are men. So do not tell me men are as likely to get raped as Women.
  • prettyinpinkuk said 1 years ago
    [ROLLEYES] ok m8 u win...
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    hugs [HEART]
  • robert2734 said 1 years ago
    Most of today's military personnel work in air conditioned offices whether you think that turns them into PUSSIES or not. We can send everybody off to war with bayonettes and horse drawn artillery if you think that will prove their manhood. Including the manhood of the female personnel. The US military doesn't protect us. Their role is to be sent halfway across the word and stand between Tribe A and Tribe B and die in the crossfire.
  • JTruant said 1 years ago
    What the fuck are you talking about? An Army's job is to defend its homeland FIRST. They are the legions. Think of everyone in the military as a gun, a weapon... That is their job. All of the other support units just repair and clean and maintain guns, and if needed fall back to being guns themselves. If a woman can Do that job as well as the FIRST job which is be a gun with equal proficiency as a man she should be there if not, fuck her.

    MOST Military personnel do NOT work in air conditioned offices and I seriously wonder where you are pulling your information from but I can bet its the same place you shit from. Most military personnel are in combat arms units and tasked out to the field for most of the year even when there is no war.[GLARE]

    Its sounds like to me most military personnel YOU know work in air conditioned offices but that makes sense.
  • robert2734 said 1 years ago
    Defend it's homeland from what? Hordes of Canadians invading our shopping centers with their highly appreciating loonies.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    Well I am going to let you fight this one out with a warrior.

    You are wrong and I will let Johnny handle you.

    Guess you missed those world wars.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    Oh yeah and Robert, since my father and step father were in though one is in or was in Iraq recently the standards have increased not decreased.
  • JTruant said 1 years ago
    I want to ask you a question. Have you fooled yourself into thinking that we live in a perfectly safe and sterile world covered in padded walls where no one can hurt us? What about the 9-11 attack where Islamic Terrorists attacked American soil and cost American lives? How about North Korea? You know that crazy little bastard is building his nuclear technology so he can nuke California and if you think he will keep his promise of disarmament you are a fucking bigger fool than I thought. What about an entire region of the world that wants to destroy, isolate, or convert America at all costs and will never negotiate?

    Armies are a necessity in a world like this because no matter how secure you believe our standing as the world’s superpower is, there will always be people willing and able to attack us. Someone who lives off of the government tit I would expect to place all of your trust in the establishment even though you probably curse it.

    So here is the big question pal; since you seem to be such an authority on world politics and the military, when were you last in the armed forces? Then I want you to ask me the same question.
  • ekyprogressive said 1 years ago
    Not every job in the military requires warriors, there is the medical, supply, maintenance, translators, radio, etc, so I wouldn't say it is completely for warriors, and thus not right for all women.

    Xena rocks...[THUMBUP][THUMBUP][THUMBUP][LOL]

    [OHMY]Liberal mindset...[TONGUE][GLARE][TONGUE][WINK][LOL]
  • JTruant said 1 years ago
    What the #### are you talking about? An Army's job is to defend its homeland FIRST. They are the legions. Think of everyone in the military as a gun, a weapon... That is their job. All of the other support units just repair and clean and maintain guns, and if needed fall back to being guns themselves. If a woman can Do that job as well as the FIRST job which is be a gun with equal proficiency as a man she should be there if not, #### her.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    I guess it is redundant for me to say so but no matter what your MOS you are a weapon first.
  • ekyprogressive said 1 years ago
    Yea and you should be trained for that and all potential chores, but what I am saying is that there are many specific jobs in the military that doesn't require a Rambo to do, and they are all vitally important position. bringing the ammo to the troops is just as important as fighting, so is being troop transport, so is maintaining communications among groups. Jessica lynch did supply work if I remember correctly, although fox incorrectly tried to paint her as a Rambo too.I am not saying women shouldn't be allowed to participate or be trained for combat, I am just saying that if they do not meet all the physical requirements as holly said, that doesn't mean they can't be given some vitally important function within the military.
  • ekyprogressive said 1 years ago
    Or Xena as the case may be...[LOL]
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    You miss the point. They HAVE to be that warrior first. That is what the military is for. If a woman wants a job of vital impotence she needs to either be Zena and join the military or work in another area of the government, not our military.

    They do not deserve special treatment or special requirements.

    Did you know only 14% of women said they would remain in the military if they were compelled to participate in combat arms units? Wake up time, that is what the military is for primarily.

    Did you also know that :Finally, when asked if combat readiness standards should be the same for both men and women, 52 percent of men said the standards should be the same, while 81 percent of women said they should be different.

    I am all for The Women’s Army Corps (WAC) but not for them being in the same army as men unless they can adhere to the same standards.

    Do you doubt that men could hold the exact same jobs that women now do? Do you doubt that several men cannot belong to that MOS because women are holding that position. Men that do hold to those standards and do not need special treatment? Do you doubt that their are men who do adhere to these standards that choose not to be career military because they cannot hold the position they would have because a woman who gets special treatment holds that position?

    And no matter what pressure she was under do you think it is okay to accuse someone of rape and not follow through and did you ever stop to think it may not have been rape? The reason I ask is the military is not saying a word yet is continuing to prosecute despite media pressure. That alone should say there is more to the story.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    I know Johnny said Xena and i said since I misspelled it all along iI amy as well stick with it :P[BLUSH]
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    I want to reiterate that it is not a "potential chore" it is the first priority.
  • ekyprogressive said 1 years ago
    Didn't know those stats, thanks for the info..
    I don't doubt that men or women could perform the same functions. I just think an individuals best skills should be utilized, either in the military or in the work force, and their weakest skills, while they should be "worked on" should be something that they are not expected to do as their primary function. If a woman is an excellent sharpshooter and sucks at radio repair, make her shoot, and don't let her near the radio...[LOL]
  • robert2734 said 1 years ago
    http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/MILITARY/history/hst0609.pdf

    There are 1.5 million active US military personnel. Of which a million are stationed in the continental united states, 100,000 are stationed in Europe, 200,000 are a part of Operation Iraqi Freedom and the 200,000 are scatterred across every country known to man.

    The Marines take the view that every Marine is an infantryman (or infantrywoman) which means he or she has to be able to exert 2.5 ounces of force on the trigger. The other services don't set their physical fitness standards as high.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    Wtf are you chattering about. Let's talk about military location. Where are all Sailors? On ships at sea six months out of every year. The six months they are at home they go on frequent short deployments 2 weeks to a month. The army is always in the field they have pt daily in any combat arms unit which constitutes most of the army Marines like wise are always in the field or on a boat. The smallest and easiest service is the air force. When you have real experience let me know. Since when does being a contractor count as military service or does that stint count or give you any real time experience at military life?
  • robert2734 said 1 years ago
    I'm a 44 year old engineer who had open heart surgery last year. None of which prevents me from sitting in an air conditioned office in front of a computer and designing electronic circuits. While you and your friends are demonstrating your manhood by occupying other people's countries and shooting their children, I actually helped defend this country. One million Iraqis won't grow up to be terrorists not that any Iraqis have ever bothered us before. I studied math so I didn't have to believe raping women and shooting ragheads made me a man.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    So you think all our military does is "shoot rag heads" and "kill innocent women and children" .

    Glad you are proud of your freedom. The freedom American soldiers gave you without them you would be speaking German.

    You have just proven you are nut.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    You know what is nice. You an I can argue a point till the cows come home and we will either reach understanding or will not but do not have to resort to calling one another baby killers or "raghead killers" (I did not call these people rag head mr. liberal did[not you the other one])[HEART]
  • robert2734 said 1 years ago
    If it weren't for the freedom Soviet soldiers gave me, I'd be breathing cyclon B.
  • robert2734 said 1 years ago
    I used to be an air force contractor with an air conditioned office on Vandenberg Air Force Base, doing my little part to help put up an anti-ballistic missile system. I got laid off because of the war in Iraq like hundreds of other people on VAFB. Now when North Korea fires their nuclear tipped ICBMs at California there won't be anything to shoot them down.
  • JTruant said 1 years ago
    Well thanks for not answering my questions.
  • robert2734 said 1 years ago
    Thanks for bankrupting this country and making another couple billion people hate us. You sure improved homeland security. Do you feel safer now?
  • JTruant said 1 years ago
    The country is far from bankrupt and I'd love to punch you in the fucking nose.

    Glad YOU were protecting this country.

    The Army has nothing to do with Homeland Security.

    You fucking pussy.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    the military is not bankrupting our country. Entitlement is. See what our country is spending on welfare, Medicaid, medicare, food stamps, the list goes on. Maybe you are even sucking the Government tit?
  • robert2734 said 1 years ago
    Yeah, I chose to be laid off from my government job so I can collect California administerred unemployment insurance. For two more weeks anyways. Why don't you go visit the VA hospitals and tell the amputees they are sponging off the productive people in this country?
  • ekyprogressive said 1 years ago
    Oh, and after reading some of the comments, I just wanted to add a couple things. One, contractors currently outnumber U.S. forces, and some, such as Blackwater, are being used for security and combat operations. Two, to say that social programs are the biggest expense of our government is not correct, our military gets more money than any other program, and is getting more money than all other governments military combined...

    http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp#InContextUSMilitarySpendingVersusRestoftheWorld

    Of course, we are in a time of war, and I understand that that does call for additional spending, although that is quite a figure you must admit to be engaged in two wars, one (Afghanistan) which does have something to do with terrorism and the other (Iraq) which had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11, or the funding or cooperation with Al Qaeda. Now we are looking at Iran even though the facts show that Saudi Arabia contributes more to terrorism (50% of suicide bombings, financial support, etc) than Iran's people (not the government, but people in Iran and specific individuals) ever have.[SMILE]
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    Again have a look. Not at biased info http://www.federalbudget.com/ or got to the actual website , the link is there.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    I wish it were true that most all of out expenses were military that is as it should be. Include foreign aid in that as well.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    you can go here too , directly to the department of the treasury http://fms.treas.gov/fr/06frusg/06stmt.pdf health and human services is first once you add social security to that you theory is blown even before you add foreign aid.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    As far as your contractor beliefs back it up with facts and figures from a non-biased source. I do not have time and do not move on dot org or any of that.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    What do contractors have do do with anything really here? Other than the nut job and his contracting experience had NOTHING to do with military life.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    And all the black water folks are ex military.... I just do not know where they fit in in this argument?
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    lottsa questions for you :)
  • ekyprogressive said 1 years ago
    Good lord! more responses than you can shake a stick at...Ill address it in a post, save you some space...[LOL][LOL][HEART][COOL]
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    Please do not post left wing websites to justify your points. Use fact based non biased sites only please.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    Or right wing for that matter.
  • ekyprogressive said 1 years ago
    Thanks for the link, it turns out that my site was underestimating the spending by at least 100 billion[OHMY][OHMY][WINK]
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    The point is still that military spending is not the biggest , welfare is.[SMILE]
  • ekyprogressive said 1 years ago
    http://ekyprogressive.blogster.com/contractors_effects_military.html
    [SMILE][HEART][WINK]
  • whereabouts said 1 years ago
    Gotcha. I'm not certain which way I stand on this but I certainly get your point. If in fact I did learn towards women in the military (and I haven't given it enough thought to say that is how I would think), I don't agree with women in combat, unless, of course, she can kick some a*s!

    I hear you about the rape accusation. I have not read the story so I'm not sure of all the details but I've always had a difficult time understanding women who refuse to testify. Maybe I don't understand it because I've fortunately have never been kind of a victim? I don't know. I suspect that I don't understand it because I know how I am about justice being served when it is deserved. I can't see myself backing down because someone may make me feel like a slut (like who cares?).

    Anyway, good post!

    I just wondered this. If women are not allowed in the military, what about gays? In essence doesn't the same sort of conflict arise as with women? Of course, I don't see the problem as a gender or class, I see it as an individual situation. An asshole will be an asshole regarding of race, sex, creed, national origin, whatever.
  • whereabouts said 1 years ago
    oh, lord, censorship, the blocked word was as*hole...
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    You want to know how I fell about gay men in the military? More power to our country if they can see past their prejudices. Historically it has been proven if you are fighting side by side with your lover you will fight harder and to the best of your capabilities. If our military would open their eyes and saw this we would be on our way to a stronger more powerful military.

    I could go on and some might about the over feminine gays that give the every day normal gay guy a bad name but most gay men I have known are not like that. That particular brand would be the same as a women but he would not make the physical requirements anyway :)

    Like I said though I am not against women in the military just against ones who cannot be warriors.[THUMBUP]
  • ehtorinnej said 1 years ago
    I don't understand what you mean by, "If you want to be a nurse, go to college"... are you implying that the military doesn't need nurses or are you saying that the military needs to do away with women to the point of getting rid of female nurses....? If that's the case, then there'd be practically no nurses at all-- males make up a very small portion of nurses. Or are you saying that if you're in the military in a branch other than military nursing, you should quit acting like you should be put on a pedastel? I guess I just don't follow. While I don't agree with a lot (a WHOLE lot) of your post, I appreciate your viewpoint. I guess I never thought about things in that light.
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    Did you see the part about WAC's? Those used to be the nurses for the military and were basically a separate army just for women who wanted to be combat nurses and staff the hospitals. This kept down much sexual tension, though that is just a minor point.

    This is my point. If you are a combat medic or nurse in the field you MUST be able to FIRST defend yourself and your country the rest of your skills are gravy. I believe women should be allowed on the front lines and that all women in the military should be expected to be on the front lines just like the men if they are in the military but I think any women on the military should have to meet the exact same physical standards as a man to qualify to be in the military and to continue qualifying.

    If a woman can meet these standards and there certainly are many who can meet these standards then I am behind them 100% and any military branch they choose to join but if they do not they can get their education at college.

    Did you know all but 14% of women said that if women were expected to be on the front lines they would leave the military? Well then I think 86% of those women should be discharged from service. Women want equality, give it to them and let me feel like my country has got my back.
  • hayduke said 1 years ago
    WOW!! This is good a powerful stuff! And even though I consider myself to be liberal-minded on most things, I find myself agreeing with you 100% on everything you mention here!
    As far as the military is concerned, if you cannot meet the physical requirements of the job, you should not get the freaking job! If you do, you put everybody in your company at risk on the battlefield. People will be killed because you cannot do your job! SO , what does the military do? In order to accommodate women, and in order to be more politcally correct, THEY LOWER THE STANDARDS!!!!! Political correctness is killing people! I'm not saying that women don't belong in combat. I'm saying that women who can meet the standards belong. The same as men! (Men fail the standards too, and there are no allowances made for them!)
    On the question of rape accusation - if you have time, I'd like to you to read one of the very first blog posts I ever wrote. It's called "A Question of Rape." I'd like to get your opinion on it, if you would be so kind.
    Holly, you showed a lot of guts voicing these opinions in this post, and I admire you for doing it!
    If you don't mind, I'm adding you to my "buddies list" right now.
    Don't let the bastards get you down, kid! Keep it up!
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    :) Give me a moment. I am thinking of writing a blog to correspond with yours about rape. Wow i am on the hate holly topics this week :P
  • khadimhussain said 1 years ago
    Do you suggest that women should be treated as women only, and should be used for sex, and that's why they shouldn't enlist in the military?
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    What Planet do you live on exactly? Where exactly, in all my article, did I suggest anything of the like?

    Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too. I suggest you need Mark Twain's advice; "It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
  • ChihulahuaLover said 1 years ago
    Very good article Holly. I agree it should be that way.[THUMBUP][HEART]

    Jenn
  • mmmhollywould said 1 years ago
    Why thank-You. You know I actually thought as I was writing that you would be the one to disagree with me ! [HEART][HEART][HEART][HEART]
  • ChihulahuaLover said 1 years ago
    No I sure don't. I do agree with you.[THUMBUP][SMILE]

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